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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 01:35 | |
Dabz
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Lol, is that right... Mmmmm, well, i come from the private sector, the sector that just has to get on with it and actually go out and earn our money, save up for our own retirement, literally pay our way... And when i look on the news, and see teachers striking about their pensions, yet state "its not about money", well, that just winds me up because it is obviously about sodding money! My wife and her mate had tickets to see Coldplay at the stadium of light in Sunderland, the Metro drivers union decided that since this was the biggest show there, they brought it on to cause a strike because, like i mentioned, sitting on your arse pushing a lever for nigh on 30000 quid isn't enough... Bollocks!!! If i did have an ounce of sympathy, which i don't, but if i did while i was sitting in the car fighting my way through Sunderland traffic to get them there on time, it would've evaporated! On top of that, why do fuel drivers need to strike when cabin crew get their perks cut? Why? Tell you why, because unions represent greed, and when they don't get their way they stamp there feet like children and make life miserable for everyone else! Bairns.... The lot of them! And for saying going on strike is like taking a holiday, it isn't, but, the strikes up here just before Christmas proved a hit with the high street, did workers man picket lines waving placards about... Did they balls... They were all out Christmas shopping!!! :/ So, with that [i could go on], noone can persuade me that unions should have a place in modern Britain, they simply aren't needed, and again, if people aren't happy, they should either do something else, or, if its serious, use a industrial tribunal... Like... The private sector does! Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit 
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 02:29 | |
Afr0
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 On top of that, why do fuel drivers need to strike when cabin crew get their perks cut? Why? I don't know if there's an English word for it, but in Norway we call this "sympathy-striking". Name is pretty self-explanatory, really. Basically, it boils down to realizing that you're not alone, and that others need your support. did workers man picket lines waving placards about... Did they balls... They were all out Christmas shopping!!! :/That sucks, and shouldn't happen. Wouldn't have happened here. So, with that [i could go on], noone can persuade me that unions should have a place in modern Britain, they simply aren't needed, and again, if people aren't happy, they should either do something else, or, if its serious, use a industrial tribunal... Like... The private sector does!With that, I'll say that noone can persuade me that the private sector should have a place in any modern society. Everyone should have the right to pensions, right to strike, right to permanent work (I.E not part-time). The French realized this in 1848, so why can't Brits?! I'd say a lot of it boils down to politicians like Maggie Thatcher, and yet you say you are pro-Thatcher, which is like saying that you're against basic rights that every worker should be entitled to. -=-=- Afr0 Games Project Dollhouse on Github - Please fork!
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 02:35 | |
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Dabz
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Lol, seems we come from opposite sides of fence, which is fair do's, life wouldn't be all that vibrant if we all followed the same line... Be a pretty boring place actually!  Anyway, i have mates who are a union, teachers actually, and we still can have a pint together even though meband other mates give them grief!  Dabz Edit: just caught that last bit... The UK probably has the most complete set of workers rights laws then anywhere else, you get pension when you retire, paid holidays if employed, paid leave when you have a kid, sickness payments when your ill, access to a tribunal when you have a grievance against your employer, very stringent health and safety in the work place... You name it, its there already, which is now why i believe unions in the UK aren't needed... The worker is covered by law, and most of that is paid for by the employer, not the state... Unions in the UK are relics of an era that is so far in the past, they just don't make sense anymore! And if you don't work, you can still get up to £26000 (now capped) in benefits, so, for part time, you can go out and get a part time job, 16 hours a week and still have a potential household of £26000 a year!!! The French haven't got a patch on us! Seriously, they haven't! -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 05:19 | |
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Afr0
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you get pension when you retire, Why'd you say then, that the private sector have to save money for retirement? access to a tribunal when you have a grievance against your employerStrikes are a much more effective tool. And if you don't work, you can still get up to £26000 (now capped) in benefits, so, for part time, you can go out and get a part time job, 16 hours a week and still have a potential household of £26000 a year!!! Wait, what? You have to have a part-time job to get benefits? -=-=- Afr0 Games Project Dollhouse on Github - Please fork!
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 05:52 | |
spinal
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No, you can still claim benefits IF you are working part time. The benefit system in this country is a sorry mess. The fact that someone can get more money for sitting at home doing nothing, than I can get going out and working 40 hours is absolutely appalling. It really does need to stop. The benefit system is supposed to stop people from starving and ensure they have a reasonable quality of life should they find themselves without any means of income. Not to ensure they have twice as much as honest working people. -=-=- Check out my excellent homepage!
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 05:56 | |
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Dabz
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Difference is between a state pension for private workers and a pension for public workers is that for one, a public based pension is an inflated pension compared to a normal state pension. On top of the fact, to receive your state pension, a worker in the private worker must now work and pay taxes till they are 70, where as, currently, public sector workers can retire when they are 55!
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 05:59 | |
Jayenkai
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Speaking of which, I'm really fucking cheesed off at being stuck at home for a year, now.. I can't begin to explain how shitty it feels spending every single day stuck in the house. Knowing my mind's working fine, but being unable to actually fucking do anything without throwing up is really starting to take its toll on my sanity!! On the plus side, the government is paying my way, and as Spinal says, I'm earning just as much sitting on my arse as I did when at work. Plus I get extras, like NHS prescriptions and eye tests and shit. A troubling way of life... I could really do with getting back to work, some time soon...! -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 06:03 | |
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Dabz
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Difference is between a state pension for private workers and a pension for public workers is that for one, a public based pension is an inflated pension compared to a normal state pension, sometimes as much as 20x that of a state pension. On top of the fact, to receive your state pension, a worker in the private worker must now work and pay taxes till they are 70, where as, currently, public sector workers can retire when they are 55! That's just wrong on sooo many levels, and yet... Public sector workers still complain! Strikes aren't effective at all, they just make people who want to getbon with it, like me, angry at the disruption they bring to our lives... And the only people in the UK that would seriously miss them are the union barrens who couldn't justify their £120000 a year wages anywhere else -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 06:05 | |
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Afr0
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inflated pension compared to a normal state pensionwhere as, currently, public sector workers can retire when they are 55! This is how it should be for everyone! Instead of being envious of the public sector, workers in the private sector should work to achieve those same benefits for their sector! Or, y'know, they could start working in the public sector, so there'd be no private sector left! If you're saying "getting those sorts of benefits in the private sector is impossible", then learn from the public sector, damnit: unionize and start striking! -=-=- Afr0 Games Project Dollhouse on Github - Please fork!
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 06:06 | |
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Dabz
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Difference is between a state pension for private workers and a pension for public workers is that for one, a public based pension is an inflated pension compared to a normal state pension, sometimes as much as 20x that of a state pension. On top of the fact, to receive your state pension, a worker in the private worker must now work and pay taxes till they are 70, where as, currently, public sector workers can retire when they are 55! That's just wrong on sooo many levels, and yet... Public sector workers still complain! Strikes aren't effective at all, they just make people who want to getbon with it, like me, angry at the disruption they bring to our lives... And the only people in the UK that would seriously miss them are the union barrens who couldn't justify their £120000 a year wages anywhere else! And no, you don't need a part time job to get benefits... If your avparent, who needs to get out of the house while thebjids are at nursery or school, you can go out an earn a little bit for yourself. Their shouldn't be nothing wrong with that! Dab -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 06:07 | |
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Dabz
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Bloody kept on pressing the return key on my phone! Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 06:18 | |
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Dabz
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Never... Wouldn't work in the public sector if you paid me in golden coins... Why? Because most of it is badly run, they waste loads, and quite literally, not worth the grief. If you lived in the UK and asked someone who went from private to public and ask them how it all works, they'd probably tell you its crazy! I was sitting at some traffic lights one day, and there was a group of Durham County Council workers taking up some block paving... There was one lifting them out, who passed them to some one who cleaned them, who passed it to someone who stacked them on a pallet on a forklift, with a forklift driver sitting in the cab with a ciggie hanging out his mouth! If that was a private company, there would be only two blokes for that. Council pays 4 wages using public money to do the sane job! This goes on everywhere in the council, saw it, heard it and can only dislike it for what it is.. A big fat waste of good money! Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 06:27 | |
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Dabz
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And the only greivance i have towards the whole pension thing is that, i was quite content with the fact i had to work till i was 65 for my state pension, but, it was indeed a fat one eyed Scottish prat, who was chancellor of a party that is paid for by unions that spent money (pensions) that didn't belong to him, made a massive black hole in the pension fund and thus, the reason the retirement age is raised to 70! I will be looking to retire earlier then that, but, it'll be down to my own hard work, no leeching or upsetting anyone... And that's how it should be for everyone. Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 11:45 | |
HoboBen
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Mum is a public sector worker, has to work till she's 65, her "gold plated" pension is £2,000 and she probably works a 40 hour week even though she's paid for a 17 hour contract! You're right about Gordon Brown though he raided the pension funds -=-=- blog | work | code | more code |
| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 12:48 | |
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Dabz
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Mmmmm, well, it seems there's a big difference between full and part time for the public sector, I know for a fact PCSO's get a golden handshake of 3x their average salary when they retire, which is is over £60000. The £2000 handshake is roughly the same payoff as private workers, in some contracts the council give out to certain areas in the council (such as bin men... No offense, but they are the only ones i know that fall under the scheme), they don't get all the perks of working in the public sector, no union, 6 month rolling contracts, when there's a strike, they are forced to take unpayed leave, no early retirement etc etc Is she in that setup if you don't mind me asking? Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Wed, 10 Apr 2013, 13:56 | |
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HoboBen
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She's a teacher! It's not unlike the private sector depending where you work -- zero hour contracts are all too common.
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| Thu, 11 Apr 2013, 03:29 | |
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Afr0
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Because most of it is badly run, they waste loads, and quite literally, not worth the grief. Why do you care? This goes on everywhere in the council, saw it, heard it and can only dislike it for what it is.. A big fat waste of good money!Again, why do you care? You're employed to do a job, not to worry about delegation. The fact of the matter is, a lot of people in the public sector have better pensions. There's a historical reason for that. Instead of complaining without doing anything, or going to a tribunal if things really got out of hand, they organized in unions, influenced the political system from top to bottom and cared for each other by striking! If the private sector had done the same things, they would have the same rights. Also, I really, really, really, really don't understand why you seem to be under the impression that everyone should have equally crap pension agreements and no right to strike. Why not work for public sector pensions for everyone and a unified right to strike instead? Would make things better for everyone! Sure, you could argue "nothing would ever get done", but if you got the wages and pensions you deserved, you wouldn't need to strike. It's like working in the private sector has you convinced that noone's really entitled to anything. Let me tell you right now: that's bollocks! -=-=- Afr0 Games Project Dollhouse on Github - Please fork!
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| Thu, 11 Apr 2013, 04:30 | |
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Jayenkai
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Your view on life is wildly different depending on your upbringing. The vastly different opinions on people's thoughts is one of the reasons why political topics always end up getting locked. This is an obituary topic, not a politics one. Don't make me lock it. -=-=- ''Load, Next List!''
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| Thu, 11 Apr 2013, 05:34 | |
steve_ancell
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I say lock it coz it's starting to get a bit out of hand. Unemployed or employed, we're all SoCoderists on here, let's keep it that way. 
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| Thu, 11 Apr 2013, 08:24 | |
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Dabz
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Oh, i didn't think we were doing that bad considering we both have total opposite views on the topic... In fact, i do really appreciate, and respect his views, yes, they are different then mine, but, we have kept it civil i think (Apart from the odd "bollocks", but overall, if Mr Afr0 walked into my local, id still buy him a pint! But, you do have a point Jay and Steve, we would've been here for a week and still back to square one! Dabz -=-=- Intel Core i5 6400 2.7GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB), 8Gig DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 64bit
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| Thu, 11 Apr 2013, 08:39 | |
rockford
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May the Iron Lady Rust In Pieces.
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| Thu, 11 Apr 2013, 09:00 | |
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Afr0
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if Mr Afr0 walked into my local, id still buy him a pint! I may take you up on that offer some day!
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