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Socoder -> Film + TV -> Movie Accident

Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 02:32
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Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 02:32
Jayenkai
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Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 04:16
Kuron
My heart goes out to the family of the gal who died. I am hoping they will find a way to charge Alec Baldwin, if only with manslaughter & reckless endangerment. You are taught as a child to assume any gun is loaded and to only point it at somebody if you intend to shoot them.

When Brandon Lee was killed, it was truly a tragic accident. This instance it was somebody playing with the firearm. The two people who were shot, were not in any way somebody that would ever have a prop gun pointed at them during the filming (or rehearsal) of a movie. You would point the gun at the actor playing the person you were trying to shoot.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 04:53
therevillsgames
Currently there isn’t much information about the shooting. The gun my have been pointed at an angle towards the camera or something not at an actor he was trying to shoot, to get a “cool” camera view.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 10:45
Kuron
In this day and age where any gunshot sound, flash and smoke are added in post-production, there is no reason for an actor to have a firearm capable of even firing blanks. Any actor can "fake" the recoil. All they need are non-firing replica guns or the solid rubber guns they often use in stage productions. When somebody hands you a firearm, you have a responsibility to look and see what it is loaded with and to make sure it is loaded with blanks, etc. I am hoping they charge Alec to send a message to the industry. This has to stop and was completely preventable.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 12:15
Jayenkai
It's the "and injured one other" bit that gets me..

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Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 12:46
Kuron
Yeah, poor Joel Souza is reduced to "one other". Thankfully he will survive, just may have his arm in a sling for a good amount of time while his clavicle heals.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 14:26
therevillsgames
On movie sets there is an armourer which is responsible for all firearms, Baldwin is an actor not responsible for the props.

I wonder due to the local of the filming that the armourer was slack.

In any case it's a horrific accident.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 14:53
Kuron
The props lady was a bit of a flake. Each state has slightly different gun laws, but in most states Alec could indeed be charged, especially with his criminal history. First rule of gun safety is always check the weapon you are handed. End of discussion, zero excuse. When you do not, tragedies like this happen. If the weapon is in your hand, you are the one responsible for it.

I remember as a kid, at a turkey shoot with my grandfather. Some guy next to us shot his own foot. Turned out he had let his brother borrow his rifle, and he never checked it when he got it back, that there was a cartridge in it.

Although I do not own firearms, I am glad part of required school curriculum in the 9th grade was to take (and pass) the Hunter's Safety Course. Prepared me well for the Army.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 20:25
Kuron
With what has come out now and this not being the first incident, somebody will likely end up getting charged over this. Much like John Landis did.

With it being Alec Baldwin, it is not hard to imagine he lost his cool and was mad and did this on purpose. However, given the firearm accidents that have plagued the set, it was likely not intentional. But, given the firearm accidents that have plagued the set, anybody in their right mind would inspect the firearm they are given (as you should anyway). No matter what he does, Alec always skates and doesn't get in real trouble.

AZ laws are such that although he could not be charged, there is an obscure law that could be applied and he could be charged.

I have only been on a handful of sets. But I have a family friend who is a big name and is extremely upset as he has worked with Halyna on several projects.
Posted : Friday, 22 October 2021, 21:00
HoboBen
Apparently a lot of the unionised staff walked off THAT MORNING over safety issues, including gun safety issues

And the movie company bought in scab labour that day to replace them

It really does sound like they were cutting corners on safety and I hope whoever did that is held to account

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Posted : Saturday, 23 October 2021, 01:47
spinal
Only in America would (A) Someone use a real gun as a prop, (B) Have a loaded gun to hand for no real reason.

I genuinely do not understand that country.

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Posted : Saturday, 23 October 2021, 05:19
steve_ancell
I don't get the use of real ammo thing on a film set either.
Posted : Saturday, 23 October 2021, 08:29
Kuron
@Spinal I live here and I don't understand it anymore. You can't rationalize the irrational.


After what happened to Brandon Lee, this never should have happened again.

If any of us (average people) had Alec's violent criminal background, we would not be allowed to even touch a firearm under any circumstance for the rest of our lives. Not even a solid rubber prop gun, and not even in the course of acting. Doing so would result in federal charges and you would spend a lot of time in federal prison. $$ and celebrity gets you out of things.
Posted : Saturday, 23 October 2021, 15:14
therevillsgames
Re: shooting - it's America.

Re: Baldwin, he had a few fights and got angry a few times, nothing major. Kuron sounds like you just don't like the guy LoL
Posted : Saturday, 23 October 2021, 19:13
Kuron
Interesting article.


He is too old to act the way he does. He lost all of my respect when the tapes came out and the way he was talking to his daughter. You do not talk to your child like that, no matter what.

Stephen was never "that bad" of a guy (more of a stoner and skirt chaser), but settled down and turned his life around and is a very respectable person. Think it was 2019 when Alec was in court over punching somebody over a parking place.

Anyway, since Alec was a producer, he may end up in court over this. He will definitely be facing civil suits.

I think with the outcry over this, we may see major changes. People have always died during filming. Stunts go wrong, or equipment fails during a stunt. It sucks, but it happens. This is not supposed to happen ever and is so incredibly heartbreaking. I just lost my wife, and would not wish that grief on anybody. My heart completely breaks for Halyna's husband and family. It fucking sucks and is not fair and although the circumstances are vastly different, I do understand their grief as I am dealing with it myself.